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	<title>Comments on: Rugby café worship</title>
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	<description>Worship that works - spirituality that connects</description>
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		<title>By: Bosco Peters</title>
		<link>http://liturgy.co.nz/rugby-cafe-worship/1666#comment-1740</link>
		<dc:creator>Bosco Peters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 20:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The italicised portion is mine as much as the first section. As with any parable I guess it can be read in a number of ways depending on the reader&#039;s context. I had not thought of it as limited to the &quot;cafe-church “movement(?)”&quot; but see your point that it could be applied to that. I hope that focus does not distract from the parable&#039;s wider application. I could have made it football (soccer) instead of cafe (it is more widely played and understood), or baseball, or something else to replace the less-understood Rugby. The point is that we can underestimate visitors&#039; and seekers&#039; and children&#039;s ability and interest in participating in good liturgy - and there are good ways of helping them be incorporated into the liturgical community which may be better than abandoning liturgy for the sake of visitors, seekers, and children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The italicised portion is mine as much as the first section. As with any parable I guess it can be read in a number of ways depending on the reader&#8217;s context. I had not thought of it as limited to the &#8220;cafe-church “movement(?)”&#8221; but see your point that it could be applied to that. I hope that focus does not distract from the parable&#8217;s wider application. I could have made it football (soccer) instead of cafe (it is more widely played and understood), or baseball, or something else to replace the less-understood Rugby. The point is that we can underestimate visitors&#8217; and seekers&#8217; and children&#8217;s ability and interest in participating in good liturgy &#8211; and there are good ways of helping them be incorporated into the liturgical community which may be better than abandoning liturgy for the sake of visitors, seekers, and children.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
		<link>http://liturgy.co.nz/rugby-cafe-worship/1666#comment-1737</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 11:21:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, I meant the italicized portion. It read like it was from one of those church growth magazines and the first section like a parody on it.

But, it is easy to write a compilation of the essence of what is being said out there on the cafe-church &quot;movement(?)&quot;

Thanks for putting this perspective on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I meant the italicized portion. It read like it was from one of those church growth magazines and the first section like a parody on it.</p>
<p>But, it is easy to write a compilation of the essence of what is being said out there on the cafe-church &#8220;movement(?)&#8221;</p>
<p>Thanks for putting this perspective on it.</p>
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		<title>By: Bosco Peters</title>
		<link>http://liturgy.co.nz/rugby-cafe-worship/1666#comment-1736</link>
		<dc:creator>Bosco Peters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 09:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ummm... Joel... &quot;original story&quot;?... &quot;source&quot;? This is the original story. I am the original source :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ummm&#8230; Joel&#8230; &#8220;original story&#8221;?&#8230; &#8220;source&#8221;? This is the original story. I am the original source <img src='http://liturgy.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
		<link>http://liturgy.co.nz/rugby-cafe-worship/1666#comment-1732</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 11:55:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely prophetic, Nathan-style. 

I am so tired of churches abandoning our heritage for the sake of appealing to the modern culture. Do you have a link to the original story? It would be interesting to read in its entirety and check out the source.

...Are you advocating that worship become more like traditional rugby? (Joking)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely prophetic, Nathan-style. </p>
<p>I am so tired of churches abandoning our heritage for the sake of appealing to the modern culture. Do you have a link to the original story? It would be interesting to read in its entirety and check out the source.</p>
<p>&#8230;Are you advocating that worship become more like traditional rugby? (Joking)</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Hayes</title>
		<link>http://liturgy.co.nz/rugby-cafe-worship/1666#comment-1724</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Hayes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 05:45:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why am I reminded of Samuel &quot;Erewhon&quot; Butler&#039;s musical banks?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why am I reminded of Samuel &#8220;Erewhon&#8221; Butler&#8217;s musical banks?</p>
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